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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases (Update

Bloomberg.com -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.
Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia, said Philip Landrigan, head of community and preventive medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. “Studies show excess rates of leukemia and related blood cancers in people, especially children, who live in communities adjacent to these refineries.”

Some of the same companies operate refineries in Europe with lower emissions than at their sites in the U.S. ...innovative technologies used by the same companies in refineries in Europe

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: teafortwo

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TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,634 Points:915,825 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:03:13 Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse I'm sure the chemicals and process are bad for a persons health. I am also sure that it will cost more at the pump to resolve it. Are you willing to pay a lot more?
Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:1,139 Points:315,585 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:01:15 Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse I wouldn't want to live near one even if this is a bunch of BS.
larose Sophomore Author Toronto Posts:181 Points:151,505 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 11:00:23 Ignore larose Report Abuse I am sure we can lower our emissions.
MissRita Champion Author Austin Posts:1,040 Points:423,790 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:54:39 Ignore MissRita Report Abuse oh come on we can do better
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:1,138 Points:266,640 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:50:37 Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse The things these companies will try to getaway with.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,130 Points:437,320 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:50:18 Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse Let's do everything in our power to keep the oil companies from doing their jobs. Let's mandate and regulate them till the price we pay in crazy and our economy will grind to a screeching halt. HOPE AND CHANGE = B.S!
Bear_Johnson Champion Author London Posts:1,363 Points:468,560 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:49:52 Ignore Bear_Johnson Report Abuse Why is it that when the technology is in use in their own plants in Europe, the domestic refineries would rather spend their money fighting against the upgrades rather than stop making our people ill and dead?
DieselKat All-Star Author Tennessee Posts:585 Points:1,135,020 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:45:45 Ignore DieselKat Report Abuse If it is true they need to fix it. It is strange to me why it is just being talked about now. We have been in the refining business at the present rate for what, over eighty years, and have just discovered this. Or is this more liberal, communist propaganda. I wounder, Hmmmm.
BrucePen Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,505 Points:340,760 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:44:08 Ignore BrucePen Report Abuse Big Oil, the biggest criminal organization in the world. Tax them into the ground. Bring on the battery powered car.
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,186 Points:401,450 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:43:36 Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse What exactly doesn't cause cancer....they need to find out what it is and create more of it.
gr8oakOH Champion Author Akron Posts:1,912 Points:502,165 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:41:13 Ignore gr8oakOH Report Abuse myself, i never buy any exxon or valero gas george bush has made enough money off of the people of this country & no one should buy either type of gas
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:5,148 Points:1,095,865 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:38:28 Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse There has to be some way to change our energy use to a good alternative. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
chuck sr Veteran Author Tampa Posts:347 Points:550,200 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:35:15 Ignore chuck sr Report Abuse If they have better controls on the foreign refineries, why do they need to be told to do it here? Boycott Valero and Exxon Mobil! God Help Us All!
CoffeeTrader Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,332 Points:427,780 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:34:02 Ignore CoffeeTrader Report Abuse This kind of thing should have been realized long before now and they should be forced to deal with it on a done yesterday basis.
willsaveNY All-Star Author Albany Posts:946 Points:249,140 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:32:38 Ignore willsaveNY Report Abuse It is good to watch that stuff. Though, it will be another excuse to raise prices.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,285 Points:639,530 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:26:36 Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse Why should they be allowed to emit these types of chemicals here but not in Europe?
Bat99 Veteran Author Denver Posts:367 Points:117,645 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:23:50 Ignore Bat99 Report Abuse I agree that if they already have the technology to clean up emissions they should be forced to implement that method. What sort of health issues will araise from the new green energy systems of the future? I hope we do not charge ahead without looking at that issue.
Jojavo All-Star Author London Posts:593 Points:121,465 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:20:34 Ignore Jojavo Report Abuse I think that any type of less pollution in the atmosphere will help the environment and the people living around these refineriers.
gibber73 Sophomore Author Columbus Posts:165 Points:208,150 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:15:47 Ignore gibber73 Report Abuse all for safety
bigmacatac Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,715 Points:376,415 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:14:58 Ignore bigmacatac Report Abuse good information
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:2,691 Points:811,090 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:14:02 Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse Benzene is nasty stuff. It was probably a contributing factor in my late father's bladder cancer (he was a Professor of Chemistry and was exposed to a lot of it before its carcinogenic properties were known).
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,622 Points:285,510 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 10:08:46 Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse Guess we should check out all refineries. My daughter and children live 6 miles from refinery in Wyoming and I have not heard of a heightened occurance of leukemia in the area. HUUUMMMMM!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,058 Points:260,325 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:39:52 Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Such emissions can be curbed and increase production of gas, thus helping to make it cost effective.
FuelRacer1132 All-Star Author Iowa Posts:645 Points:144,470 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:38:46 Ignore FuelRacer1132 Report Abuse Unfortunately, these studies can go which ever way that the funding source wants it to read. If there is a problem, then deal with it, DO NOT PLAY POLITICS! It is so tiring that what ever lobbyists want, the weak minded men and women in government give them, as long as the funding is enough to offset the other lobbyists.
PissedCanuck Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,695 Points:589,875 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:37:15 Ignore PissedCanuck Report Abuse We will soon see the real agenda of this Administration in the coming months.
revON All-Star Author Toronto Posts:974 Points:506,725 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:35:12 Ignore revON Report Abuse Why does Obama consider curbs on oil speculation?
BH24 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:4,375 Points:1,038,225 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:33:37 Ignore BH24 Report Abuse If Obama is involved, there is real reason to be skeptical.
pigmanTX All-Star Author Dallas Posts:863 Points:294,000 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:32:47 Ignore pigmanTX Report Abuse Meh.
bad_sailor Champion Author London Posts:1,548 Points:441,105 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:30:40 Ignore bad_sailor Report Abuse Curing cancer would cause the loss of too many money making charities.
RochBear Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,733 Points:802,745 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:27:22 Ignore RochBear Report Abuse Life causes cancer. However, if there is already a technology to reduce the emission, then they should probably use it.
pkhdonovan Champion Author Maine Posts:5,689 Points:1,442,635 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:15:33 Ignore pkhdonovan Report Abuse If you long and hard enough anything can cause cancer.
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:4,456 Points:1,063,685 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:08:32 Ignore jay4 Report Abuse Another fine example of enforcing public health standards that affect us all.
caravanguy Sophomore Author Milwaukee Posts:245 Points:355,225 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:08:11 Ignore caravanguy Report Abuse BHO will do anything to force Americans into tiny cars. He once said he didn't thing $4/gallon gas was that big of a deal...he just thought it got to that price too quickly.
leeso1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,084 Points:156,280 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:00:37 Ignore leeso1 Report Abuse yes we can!!!
fizbos Champion Author Maine Posts:1,700 Points:961,485 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:57:18 Ignore fizbos Report Abuse Less oil refinery output = higher gas prices!
BlueVanGroup All-Star Author Colorado Posts:841 Points:299,750 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:57:15 Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse It must be frustrating trying to run a business when the government keeps changing the rules. Let me guess--when the refineries pass the costs of these new changes onto the consumer, some people will mistakenly blame the oil companies for the higher prices.
wt0826 Rookie Author Ontario Posts:90 Points:19,395 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:50:19 Ignore wt0826 Report Abuse Good! About time the big corporations are held accountable.
BlackHorse Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,056 Points:531,695 Joined:Dec 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:37:51 Ignore BlackHorse Report Abuse I am all for this one
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,725 Points:824,965 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:34:26 Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse With the amount of gouge they are making thereis no reason why they don't immediately upgrade. Oh, wait, they are selfish and self serving and don't care! CONSERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fight, shout and scream for: ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES.
Bussman Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,083 Points:307,895 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:28:12 Ignore Bussman Report Abuse Why doesn't Obama consider curbs on oil speculation?
acknot Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,487 Points:768,300 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:25:13 Ignore acknot Report Abuse The effect of this will be higher gas prices.
GGW Veteran Author Austin Posts:278 Points:526,560 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:17:30 Ignore GGW Report Abuse aarrrt, you are right on brother!
the_peddler Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,193 Points:328,050 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:17:27 Ignore the_peddler Report Abuse is it fact or coincidence. is it the refineries or something else causing the cancer.
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,724 Points:375,170 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:14:24 Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse keep conserving
e3p0 Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,080 Points:562,580 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:10:59 Ignore e3p0 Report Abuse At the current rate, Obama will get us off foreign oil. It will be refined elsewhere and be imported as gas. Then we will really be screwed.
mplato Champion Author Columbia Posts:2,945 Points:756,640 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:08:50 Ignore mplato Report Abuse your going to die from drinking water also!
Slyguy1060 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,935 Points:970,045 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:08:13 Ignore Slyguy1060 Report Abuse We as a nation are so screwed, by the time the people in Washington get through with us we are going to be a third world country.
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,240 Points:202,605 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:05:07 Ignore 2granny Report Abuse An other reason to rise gas prices.
MINER Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:7,323 Points:2,224,270 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:03:53 Ignore MINER Report Abuse Wow, Valero is moving into this part of Pa. now. I have read in the years past the refinerys can do better but they for some reason are reluctatn to spend the money on it. Wouldn't you think as the largest user of their product, they would have the most modern of their refinerys.
paulydel Champion Author Delaware Posts:3,008 Points:363,545 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:55:18 Ignore paulydel Report Abuse Obama can't even run a fruit stand and his medling will only cost us more in taxes.
JustjoeWI Veteran Author Milwaukee Posts:397 Points:176,055 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:50:22 Ignore JustjoeWI Report Abuse I agree with aarrrt
hybridaholic Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,873 Points:309,680 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:49:33 Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse No refineries around here