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New battery could steer China into lead in electric-car mark

The Vancouver Sun -- However, it's the battery in the E6 that is causing the buzz in the decidedly dejected auto industry. Instead of being made with lithium ion -- which is expensive, increasingly hard to come by, environmentally unfriendly, and potentially dangerous in a crash -- BYD has devised a battery that uses ferrous ion, which is cheap, plentiful and green. If it turns out to be as functional as the Chinese company claims, it could be the breakthrough to bring electric cars into the mainstream.
Warren Buffett thinks it is. The American financier invested $230 million in BYD last year.
BYD -- the Pinyin initials for its Chinese name, but now the company says they also stand for its motto, Build Your Dreams -- boasts the best-selling gas-guzzling sedan in the China market and is making inroads with the

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YKK Rookie Author Atlanta Posts:46 Points:1,095,910 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:06:19 AM Ignore YKK Report Abuse Give me the "copper-top."
Yonkers111 Champion Author Scranton Posts:5,432 Points:417,490 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:05:01 AM Ignore Yonkers111 Report Abuse We should reverse engineer the battery and build it here.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,155 Points:274,180 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:04:26 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Wegman from Twin Cities... The article can be read by typing in the first couple of words from the title into the newspapers search box. Worth the read. I believe your thinking about the Chinese is outdated. Today's young Chinese is very well educated, very focused, and very innovative. In fact, they work harder than we do routinely. Warren Buffett with his $230M investment doesn't make too many mistakes! This battery could be the breakthrough the EV has been needing. More power to them! [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/4/2009 9:05:11 AM EST]
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,784 Points:370,260 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:03:04 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Maybe too much competition
psuray All-Star Author Hartford Posts:889 Points:213,075 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:01:45 AM Ignore psuray Report Abuse sounds like a good idea but are we going to dependent on Chinese batteries? ;-)
techque Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,458 Points:1,256,510 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:01:18 AM Ignore techque Report Abuse We’re sorry, the page you requested is not available. If you typed in a URL, please check the address and spelling. did find this article . . . but look at the date . . . ??supposedly new technoogy?? http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/10/11/byd-to-mass-produce-electric-car/ BYD to mass produce electric car! 11 October 2007 [Edited by: techque at 7/4/2009 9:07:03 AM EST]
cincindie Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,784 Points:1,936,545 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:00:04 AM Ignore cincindie Report Abuse Every country seems to be investing in the future except for the U.S. Soon, it would be pretty hard to catch up with the rest.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:6,272 Points:1,113,505 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:59:39 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse soon everyone will want to be chinese
sammy09 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:270 Points:167,550 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:58:27 AM Ignore sammy09 Report Abuse seems that battery technology is moving faster than the speed of light - great --
vabites Champion Author Florida Posts:2,061 Points:375,875 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:57:08 AM Ignore vabites Report Abuse Great idea, lets just use batteries that cause us to burn more COAL in our power plants...we already have 'rolling brown-outs' when it gets excessively hot in some of our cities. Why not get more serious about natural gas? It's been used for years, yet only municipal and federal agencies seem to spend much money on it.
cableman31 Champion Author New York Posts:2,616 Points:788,765 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:54:32 AM Ignore cableman31 Report Abuse China will take the lead in electric car batteries.
winggnutt Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,332 Points:1,425,425 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:52:33 AM Ignore winggnutt Report Abuse soon we will be speaking Chinese at this rate
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,214 Points:861,995 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:52:09 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse so why isn't anyone putting all this technology into regular car batteries?
PrepHermit Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,829 Points:391,295 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:51:15 AM Ignore PrepHermit Report Abuse Sounds like it has potential.
03mdx Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,135 Points:373,535 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:48:58 AM Ignore 03mdx Report Abuse Good idea.
Tundralimited2009 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:798 Points:232,955 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:47:49 AM Ignore Tundralimited2009 Report Abuse You go Warren!
bumpygas Champion Author Nebraska Posts:2,164 Points:678,815 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:46:33 AM Ignore bumpygas Report Abuse Warren Buffett funds half of China's industries.
Lovelee Champion Author Detroit Posts:12,379 Points:804,725 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:43:14 AM Ignore Lovelee Report Abuse And China becomes a major player in the auto industry.
jb107 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,465 Points:1,372,405 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:43:04 AM Ignore jb107 Report Abuse Dont we have any inventors here any more. Bring back Edison.
CLM06 Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,250 Points:840,775 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:43:01 AM Ignore CLM06 Report Abuse Thats what needer a longer lasting battery and longer mileage ones
TECH500 Champion Author Alberta Posts:2,789 Points:562,740 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:40:29 AM Ignore TECH500 Report Abuse We need some new technology here in North America for the auto industry or we will pay dearly for foreign patented technology.
KillChain All-Star Author Albuquerque Posts:813 Points:319,725 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:40:28 AM Ignore KillChain Report Abuse Once again we will fall behind.
jony Champion Author Florida Posts:1,648 Points:565,050 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:38:07 AM Ignore jony Report Abuse if Buffett put money in it , it probably is a good idea.
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,084 Points:186,110 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:37:28 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse they always find a way to use lead for some reason.
curlypooh Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,069 Points:747,615 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:37:07 AM Ignore curlypooh Report Abuse Maybe we can buy them on credit, like everything else we own them.
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,084 Points:186,110 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:36:37 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse americans have to manufacture with a higher standard and safety codes.
OleMiss79 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:4,024 Points:461,930 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:35:51 AM Ignore OleMiss79 Report Abuse This sounds really positive for alternative energy sources. If it works as the article says, the feds can give tax breaks to those who buy hybrids and raise taxes on gasoline... wait isn't that what the feds are doing now?
madison8359 All-Star Author Cleveland Posts:902 Points:343,110 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:34:14 AM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Buffet rarely misses the mark, this must be the real McCoy. Where are the Americans in this technology?
Jarol Champion Author Iowa Posts:1,831 Points:328,360 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:34:09 AM Ignore Jarol Report Abuse I love creativity by anyone.
Gonner4332 Rookie Author Minnesota Posts:42 Points:205,315 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:31:26 AM Ignore Gonner4332 Report Abuse Almost kind of scary how the chinese progressing.
Gas Slave Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,920 Points:503,200 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:29:10 AM Ignore Gas Slave Report Abuse The big question is will it meet our safety standards?
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,734 Points:628,055 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:28:24 AM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse Here come the Chinese to take over our Auto Industry.
skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,078 Points:392,005 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:27:48 AM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse Bought 7000 shares of this company 2 months ago..This stock could see $30 a share.Right now it's $4...watch it....
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,252 Points:476,590 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:26:55 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse Trump said "When you owe the bank a couple of million... they own you... but when you owe the bank a couple of billion... YOU own them" We owe China 1.3 Trillion (so far)... who owns who???
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,869 Points:1,387,170 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:23:37 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse reality or media hype??
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,252 Points:476,590 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:21:10 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse Warren Buffet doesn't waste his time or money on failure.... China's electric car is ready for use with current technology for about $25,000 US... with a better battery... they'll crush anything from here... or the far east.... Cheap americans WILL buy this car... just like 100's of other defective products from China...
rgjoslin Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,038 Points:374,655 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:21:04 AM Ignore rgjoslin Report Abuse The Chinese will own us one day.
fltdoc Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:2,121 Points:348,440 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:19:33 AM Ignore fltdoc Report Abuse 'jedintheshed', I believe that the reference to being green is related to that impact after the battery is exhausted. I am not sure, but that would be my assumption. Most batteries, even lead acid and alkaline, are not necessarily a problem for the environment during there useful life, but it is what happens to them after they are no longer useful. Just a thought, not meant to be a criticism. Have a great 4th.
nb52 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,467 Points:301,960 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:17:31 AM Ignore nb52 Report Abuse I hope it is loud and inexpensive and will go more than 20 miles on a charge.
turbosaab Champion Author Cleveland Posts:6,733 Points:1,148,790 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:17:27 AM Ignore turbosaab Report Abuse We'll have to see if this is really a breakthrough.
Jeepp Champion Author Boston Posts:1,121 Points:332,960 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:16:09 AM Ignore Jeepp Report Abuse Now we are getting some new technology in batteries that will make the cars more affordable.
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jedintheshed All-Star Author Colorado Springs Posts:579 Points:195,015 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:14:40 AM Ignore jedintheshed Report Abuse The battery may be "cheap, plentiful and green" but what about the disposal at the end of the battery life? Have they thought about that? Fill the landfills with these batteries.
Skipper52 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,189 Points:359,280 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:14:24 AM Ignore Skipper52 Report Abuse We have had years to come up with a better battery and the Chinese beat us to it. That tells you how bad the US auto industry really is.
brutus Champion Author Alberta Posts:3,529 Points:1,289,840 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:13:47 AM Ignore brutus Report Abuse Will it work and withstand temperatures from minus 40 to 120 above?
SE3.5 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:9,770 Points:1,900,250 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:13:47 AM Ignore SE3.5 Report Abuse In a few years China will own the US, so does it really matter?
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courier400 Champion Author Kansas Posts:8,529 Points:1,927,880 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:09:35 AM Ignore courier400 Report Abuse well some one will do it.
Pede Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,074 Points:273,800 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:07:46 AM Ignore Pede Report Abuse That link did not take you to the artical you may want to try http://www.vancouversun.com/Technology/battery+could+steer+China+into+lead+electric+market/1524883/story.html[L=http://http://www.vancouversun.com/Technology/battery+could+steer+China+into+lead+electric+market/1524883/story.html][/L]