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Controversial motor fuel with more ethanol raises concerns

Palm Beach Post -- The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency now allows E15, a blend of 15 percent ethanol and 85 percent gasoline, to be sold, but don’t expect it to be offered in Florida any time soon. Nationwide, only a dozen or so stations in the corn ethanol-producing states of Iowa, Nebraska and Kansas sell it, according to the Renewable Fuels Association.

In fact, there’s a growing backlash against ethanol with diverse groups calling for repeal of the federal Renewable Fuels Standard that requires increasing amounts of the alternative fuel to be produced each year. The RFS requires refiners to blend 15 billion gallons of biofuels such as corn ethanol into the U.S. fuel supply by 2015.

The thinking is that increased use of ethanol will reduce gasoline prices and promote energy independence from...

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tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,054 Points:2,347,460 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 1:58:04 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Controversial motor fuel with more ethanol raises concerns, what almost everybody has known for a very long time now. The EPA has no clue what they are doing to the citizens and vehicles of the US and making the rest of the country do what should NOT be done. Somebody has put a stop to this ethanol crap in gasoline, Sneeky certainly isn't going to do anything about it. NO FUEL FROM FOOD! NO E-5, E-10, E-15 OR E-100 –> ONLY 'E-0' fuel is Allowed! Drives vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:01:39 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse EtOH has never been the answer. Let's get back to using corn for food, not for fuel in the tank.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,555 Points:749,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 10:34:50 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse e-10 is bad enough, e-15 will destroy vehicles.
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,763 Points:592,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 8:03:03 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Shouldn't be made with food crops especially after a drout.
GasPriceHelp4u Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,692 Points:569,775 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 7:04:19 AM Ignore GasPriceHelp4u Report Abuse BAD idea to begin with which was cooked up in Washington DC by lawmakers from Corn growing states!!!
gravityhurts Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,098 Points:938,480 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 7:02:00 AM Ignore gravityhurts Report Abuse The thinking that the use of ethanol would reduce gas prices? So much for that thinking. Gas prices have been at record highs since 2008. Thanks for nothing. The only way I like my corn is on the lightly buttered on the cob.
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,074 Points:1,628,200 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 2:07:18 AM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse 'growing' is putting it mildly
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,862 Points:1,614,200 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:32:28 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “This is one big lie, as it is not mandated anywhere.” What cave have you been living in, Goldseeker? The Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS) requires the use of billions of gallons of non-petroleum fuel, largely ethanol, each year. Federal regulations require the use of reformulated fuel in certain areas: EPA site listing RFG mandate areas. Some state laws also mandate reformulated fuel. They may not explicitly state an ethanol requirement but that is what is used to achieve RFG standards in 99% of all cases.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,495 Points:1,558,725 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:24:23 AM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse If you have a new or recently made piece of power equipment such as a lawn mower or a snowblower, the owner's manual will tell you not to use a blend greater than E-10 as the engine is not designed to run with a blend of more than 10% ethanol.
C.Carpets All-Star Author Oakland Posts:546 Points:2,090,920 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:22:55 AM Ignore C.Carpets Report Abuse A Crime on Humanity, Burning Food in American cars.
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,702 Points:539,995 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:20:57 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse They also have a tendency to burn out small engines, if you use this crap. Don't put it in a lawnmower or snowblower!
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,862 Points:1,614,200 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:19:51 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse "However, a federal Department of Energy study found a 3.7 percent decrease in miles per gallon with E10 and a 5.3 percent drop in fuel economy with E15." Those are really conservative numbers. I would expect at least double those decreases for many vehicles.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,862 Points:1,614,200 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:17:40 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “Nationwide, only a dozen or so stations in the corn ethanol-producing states of Iowa, Nebraska and Kansas sell [E15].” It is good to know that this garbage is not catching on.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,728 Points:389,925 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:16:07 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse Discontinue Corn as Fuel for Cars.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,478 Points:664,150 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:15:01 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Eat corn....don't use it for fuel.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:14:47 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse The think-tank better go back to school.
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,998 Points:1,114,340 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:13:55 AM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse "However, a federal Department of Energy study found a 3.7 percent decrease in miles per gallon with E10 and a 5.3 percent drop in fuel economy with E15." Remember Uncle Sam get Gas Tax on every gallon we buy, less MPG=more Tax $...
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,559 Points:2,720,765 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:12:36 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse This is one big lie, as it is not mandated anywhere.
papakoca All-Star Author Texas Posts:649 Points:531,285 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:11:24 AM Ignore papakoca Report Abuse Nothing good will come from the ethanol mandates.
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,960 Points:833,680 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:10:46 AM Ignore regout Report Abuse Keep corn for people.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,313 Points:1,904,930 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:10:40 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse NO Ethanol Please.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,547 Points:1,860,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:08:59 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Ethanol should not be in gasoline. Not to use food for fuel!
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,525 Points:1,670,560 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:08:14 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Ethanol should not be allowed to be sold as gas.
Tsunamiron Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,434 Points:558,800 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:08:09 AM Ignore Tsunamiron Report Abuse Too much government control. America is no longer the land of the free.
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,229 Points:519,825 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:06:22 AM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse No more ethanol.
ManOfLeisureII Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,884 Points:455,800 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:06:19 AM Ignore ManOfLeisureII Report Abuse We are getting cornholed
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,502 Points:1,511,580 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:06:17 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse Reminds me of a story I heard as a kid. A farmer was trying to mix sawdust with oats to feed his mules. Did not work out so well with the horsepower.
BurtB Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,182 Points:1,368,040 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:06:17 AM Ignore BurtB Report Abuse Ethanol should not be in gasoline. It damages engines, and drives up the price of corn on the world market.
Math6149 All-Star Author Jacksonville Posts:873 Points:1,797,250 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:04:41 AM Ignore Math6149 Report Abuse Less is better when it comes to ethanol in gas.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,906 Points:774,220 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:03:56 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse destroys my engine
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,906 Points:774,220 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:03:37 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse It's crap.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,664 Points:2,361,920 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 12:01:56 AM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse If you have a flex fuel vehicle then no problem I am guessing. However I do not I have a 1997. But in the long run ethanol may work but it cannot all come from CORN as we are seeing now, there has to be other methods. It however does not seem to be lowering our prices.
TravisTuxy Sophomore Author Louisville Posts:125 Points:280,385 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:59:39 PM Ignore TravisTuxy Report Abuse Build a car engine/system differently if you want more ethanol in a gas mixture. In other words, build a car that thrives & runs on it. That will get more stations to carry it!
papapacker Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:8,434 Points:1,700,335 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:56:46 PM Ignore papapacker Report Abuse Ethanol does not belong in gasoline
jadeusa Champion Author Dallas Posts:9,349 Points:1,826,940 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:56:42 PM Ignore jadeusa Report Abuse Get rid of E85 or 15% ethanol.
grt197 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:583 Points:127,535 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:56:32 PM Ignore grt197 Report Abuse yep
Aserdaten Champion Author Florida Posts:3,476 Points:2,053,700 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:55:33 PM Ignore Aserdaten Report Abuse Are there any people out there with no financial stake in the matter who approve of this 15% ethanol idea? I really doubt it. It's time to come to our senses and put the brakes on the whole ethanol business.
NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:7,432 Points:1,473,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:52:01 PM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse This whole ethanol thing is such a mess.
jjfisher All-Star Author Toledo Posts:547 Points:749,460 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:51:19 PM Ignore jjfisher Report Abuse All this will do is increase meat prices. No to E15.
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,411 Points:2,909,735 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:50:17 PM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse Lots of politics involved in forcing this onto the public
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,075 Points:1,733,165 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:49:51 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse no thanks
CivicMA Champion Author Boston Posts:1,902 Points:536,170 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:49:22 PM Ignore CivicMA Report Abuse Yes, it is a major concern but the EPA seems to be ignoring science and complaints of damage to engines anyway.
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,309 Points:1,644,755 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:48:55 PM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse Can you say Problems of the future?
prassu2012 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:686 Points:149,895 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:09 PM Ignore prassu2012 Report Abuse no idea here
nimpy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:8,145 Points:1,703,055 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:46:37 PM Ignore nimpy Report Abuse ands prices
Doomsday64 All-Star Author Austin Posts:869 Points:337,980 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:46:22 PM Ignore Doomsday64 Report Abuse NO ETHANOL.
jorod55 Champion Author California Posts:1,485 Points:432,925 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:46:12 PM Ignore jorod55 Report Abuse The greenies are trying to secretly destroy every internal combustion engine in America. Cause Lord knows they can't control any other country.
gasmack Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,717 Points:669,415 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:44:41 PM Ignore gasmack Report Abuse No E-15!
Liberty2000 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,739 Points:280,520 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:41:54 PM Ignore Liberty2000 Report Abuse More gov't stupidity.
DancingDee Champion Author Gary Posts:4,384 Points:1,056,765 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:41:42 PM Ignore DancingDee Report Abuse Totally agree with Drz614!!!!!