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Federal investment in clean energy would create 20,000 new jobs: report

thestar.com -- If the federal government invested the $1.3 billion it gives the oil and gas industry annually in subsidies into clean energy, the cash injection would create nearly 20,000 new jobs across Canada, according to a report by an organization of unions and environmental groups.

Blue Green Canada hopes the report, to be released Thursday morning, will spark a serious discussion about a national green energy strategy going into the 2013 budget, said Mark Rowlinson, United Steelworkers assistant to the national director and president of Blue Green Canada.

“If you look at the federal government’s own economic reports, it’s becoming increasing tied to oil and gas exports,” he said. “We’re on this sort of natural resource roller-coaster.”

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bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,830 Points:644,225 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 10:40:54 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse Is that worldwide or just North America? I doubt the rest of the world is as focused nor do they care!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,430 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 10:18:39 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse FluffyDog...what in the H are you talking about?
TruthMatters Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,525 Points:535,710 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 8:59:54 PM Ignore TruthMatters Report Abuse So that's how much per job created?
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,088 Points:97,145 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 2:25:47 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Well if they can't sell "taxes"..errrrrr..."investment" to the public by saying it's for clean energy, just add "for the children" and then everybody will believe it. "Clean Energy for the Children" See? Who doesn't want that? Here's my money...oh it's involuntary? Ok, sure, take it. It's for the children.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,430 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:10:45 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Taxrefugee...pay attention! I have no doubt you can provide Web documents to counter PDQ's assertions? Yes?
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,568 Points:1,174,430 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:06:57 PM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse I agree with alterman and PDQ. Clean renewable energy is the energy of the future.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,500 Points:1,559,700 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 7:25:02 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse Investment in clean energy is a good idea.
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:7,311 Points:1,529,000 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 6:48:56 PM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse investment is a euphemism for taxes spent...and these taxes have been wasted on political cronies
TripleHs Champion Author Austin Posts:3,355 Points:918,840 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 3:38:28 PM Ignore TripleHs Report Abuse really???
Taxrefugee Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,412 Points:388,945 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:25:41 PM Ignore Taxrefugee Report Abuse Uhhhh...........where have these people been for the last 4 years??? Listening over and over again to Obama's 2008 campaign speeches while companies like Solyndra have been evaporating millions of taxpayer dollars with no real jobs to show for all of it? The government has spent a lot of money on basic research but all the successful commercialization of things like space exploration, drug research and the Internet, to name just a few, has been done with private money, not government "investment."
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,084 Points:1,450,275 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:12:17 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Good for the government for investing for our future. Without this find of governmental investment, we would not have the Internet (came from the government DARPA Net), and all drug research would stop (it's governmental money that funds the basic research that eventually develops enough technology for drug discovery) which would kill off the pharmaceutical industry. It's important to have a balance of government and business to generate the technology and thus the jobs for this democracy
1momsunshine Champion Author Ottawa Posts:5,505 Points:1,003,505 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:56:50 PM Ignore 1momsunshine Report Abuse Ok
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,786 Points:1,557,085 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:49:48 PM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse Would that not merely transfer jobs from one industry to another? So, if the federal government gives 65,000 canadian dollars to 20,000 people, will this have the same result? Isn't the question really, which group of 20,000 of your closest friends is given the taxpayers' money?
MrLefty0706 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,454 Points:353,035 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:46:18 PM Ignore MrLefty0706 Report Abuse Always glad to see an increase in jobs.
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,587 Points:481,455 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:49:52 AM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse That makes for an expensive subsidy: 65k$ per job. Just taking away the subsidies from the oil industry might actually cause our dollar to drop, and we might have a good chance of getting those 500,000 manufacturing jobs back. The oil industry employs fewer than 200,000 people across Canada. They're are swimming in cash. They don't need any subsidy.
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:3,558 Points:711,630 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:45:09 AM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse BIG OIL subsidies = BIG OIL takers.
Don Moderator	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:39:09 AM Ignore Don Report Abuse "Why jobs in Canada?" This is a Canadian written article discussing Canadian clean energy jobs. Please note guys, comments such as "another Ovomit lie!" are not necessary nor are they warranted in this particular discussion. Please feel free to keep appropriate political comments or debates in their respective political forums. -Don [Edited by: Don at 11/23/2012 11:42:49 AM EST]
doggod Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,858 Points:743,310 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:34:44 AM Ignore doggod Report Abuse Typical propagandist's ploy: borrow words from a popular lexicon to describe your low-life operation. In this case, the word is "invest". Governments don't "invest" because they are putting nothing at risk since it's all other people's money. So they toss it around to the well-connected, and if something happens to work out and make something good happen, so much the better and they can pat themselves on the back as if they were actual "investors".
bigt61 All-Star Author Virginia Posts:655 Points:203,325 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:18:01 AM Ignore bigt61 Report Abuse catfish99 & SammyAdams are right on the money. Scroll down. "Green jobs" = steal money from taxpayers and give it to your buddies who can't make it on their own. (But who will organize throngs of people to vote for you)
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,172 Points:1,300,170 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:07:45 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse just what we need. another 200,000 people on the federal payroll - and you know its true because they wouldn't exist otherwise
200porter Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,075 Points:544,085 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:00:08 AM Ignore 200porter Report Abuse Why is the oil and gas industry getting subsidies?
Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,580 Points:312,615 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:54:16 AM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse How would that gain in jobs be offset by job losses in the oil and gas industry done in protest over losing their handout.
Hawg1408 Veteran Author Alberta Posts:447 Points:642,915 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:45:39 AM Ignore Hawg1408 Report Abuse Will believe when I see it. However, who will fill the 20,000 jobs considering the oil industry is struggling now plus their are not even skilled trades people already.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,068 Points:795,575 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:41:08 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse From the article: "If the federal government invested the $1.3 billion it gives the oil and gas industry annually in subsidies" ============================================================= I am not aware of any subsidies that the Canadian government gives to oil companies. If this is equivalent to the allegations that that the U.S. government gives oil companies subsidies, then there are no subsidies given. The oil and gas industries have certain TAX DEDUCTIONS as do all other mining operations which covers LOSSES that they experience, but these are not subsidies. Rather than subsidize any business, why not return the $1.3 Billion to the taxpayers from where it came. They have a better track record of making a profit than the subsidized "greenies" do.
EMoe57 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:4,627 Points:1,017,990 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:40:58 AM Ignore EMoe57 Report Abuse good on them
gaswatchON Veteran Author Ontario Posts:463 Points:118,405 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:40:48 AM Ignore gaswatchON Report Abuse The Question that comes to mind here is: why is the government handing over our tax dollars to the most profiting industry in Canada that continually rips the common people off? The only logical reason is for the kickbacks to the politicians.
ironbox_sara Champion Author Albany Posts:9,601 Points:2,240,705 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:38:17 AM Ignore ironbox_sara Report Abuse Good luck with that one.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,133 Points:1,824,075 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:35:37 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse at what cost??? The record so far of the government investment in new jobs hasn't been stellar...
MOREDLEG Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,666 Points:613,585 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:26:05 AM Ignore MOREDLEG Report Abuse mswillia, you are wrong, if they left that money with the original owner, ie the taxpayer they took it from, it would go further. This is more of the Federal Government picking and choosing winners and losers. in this case LOSERS
LoadToad Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,364 Points:1,298,045 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:23:44 AM Ignore LoadToad Report Abuse This article is about Canada not the USA. Interesting what is happening North of the border.
Tsunamiron Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,439 Points:559,775 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:23:29 AM Ignore Tsunamiron Report Abuse We need to continue to invest in cleaner forms of energy.
mswillia Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,642 Points:574,080 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:20:19 AM Ignore mswillia Report Abuse if they gave that money to 20,000 people, it would go farther
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,682 Points:2,621,580 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:16:26 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse If the federal government invested the $1.3 billion it gives the oil and gas industry annually in subsidies into clean energy, the cash injection would create nearly 20,000 new jobs across Canada, according to a report by an organization of unions and environmental groups. Is this fact or fiction..
5Golfer8 Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,148 Points:302,600 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:09:41 AM Ignore 5Golfer8 Report Abuse All true green energy jobs are short term because once installed it does not require constant maintenance or replacement.
prius22 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,224 Points:390,260 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:09:23 AM Ignore prius22 Report Abuse Just create private sector jobs. More makers and less takers.
goalie1950 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:6,420 Points:1,298,370 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:08:05 AM Ignore goalie1950 Report Abuse Talk is cheap. Get 'er done.
Rick01 Champion Author Utah Posts:9,028 Points:2,364,525 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:07:35 AM Ignore Rick01 Report Abuse Hope they can make it work.
gamalerin Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,762 Points:995,460 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:06:59 AM Ignore gamalerin Report Abuse Good news.
NO_SWEAT Champion Author Toronto Posts:4,355 Points:1,081,265 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:06:46 AM Ignore NO_SWEAT Report Abuse Interesting.
catfish99 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:13,989 Points:2,498,475 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:05:50 AM Ignore catfish99 Report Abuse Similar stats were used to justify US spending on "green jobs". Most of the jobs are gone because the companies cannot stay in business. Why? 1. Government always backs the losers. If the idea made economic sense, venture capital would be behind it already. 2. Political types tend to give money to their backers. 3. Because of vast energy discovery in the last decade, "green" answers are horribly expensive. Funding research at the university level and requiring it to be freely shared = good investment. Picking winners and losers = bad investment. But not many paybacks come from colleges, so don't hold your breath.
redhornet Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,744 Points:889,025 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:05:03 AM Ignore redhornet Report Abuse Build more ethanol plants too.
erik_8 All-Star Author Toronto Posts:534 Points:545,335 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:04:45 AM Ignore erik_8 Report Abuse Sound's so good.
bigLtowing Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,849 Points:594,515 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:04:43 AM Ignore bigLtowing Report Abuse Excellent step they're takin'!
merlinCO Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,650 Points:343,345 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:02:20 AM Ignore merlinCO Report Abuse Excellent step.
rbrowdersr Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,730 Points:1,820,915 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:01:08 AM Ignore rbrowdersr Report Abuse Good for Canada.
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,757 Points:1,248,150 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:59:03 AM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse Well, this is a Canadian organization issuing the report...But it's still baloney. Note that the scale of jobs is about the same as those that would be created by the Keystone XL pipeline. Yet this Green gang would shriek in horror before admitting those jobs are worth anything.
BigDenOH Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,364 Points:581,275 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:58:17 AM Ignore BigDenOH Report Abuse More government jobs?
nozzle46 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:6,700 Points:1,474,025 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:57:29 AM Ignore nozzle46 Report Abuse Sounds like a realistic number as opposed to the oil industry claims of a million jobs.
CAD69 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:3,216 Points:848,190 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:56:28 AM Ignore CAD69 Report Abuse Why jobs in Canada?
babyjudy Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,741 Points:563,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:56:23 AM Ignore babyjudy Report Abuse This is of money for hope.