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TransCanada says Keystone XL will not affect climate

CBC News -- In a shift in strategy, the company that wants to build an oil pipeline from western Canada to Texas said Tuesday that the project will have no measurable effect on global warming.

Canada represents just 2% of global GHG emissions, therefore, the oilsands represent only 0.1% of it.

Opponents say the pipeline would carry "dirty oil" derived from tar sands that requires significantly more energy to produce than conventional crude oil and emits up to 20% more GHG.

Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University, said the comments appeared to be based on "some rather rosy assumptions" about oilsands production.

First, the calculation does not take into account the energy cost of refining and transporting the crude from oilsands, nor does it account for

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tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,579 Points:2,372,235 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:57:46 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse TransCanada says Keystone XL will not affect climate, the project will have NO measurable effect on global warming? REALLY? No Measurable Effect On Global Warming? AMAZING! The project will have minimal effect but burning that oil will. Canadian Oil transported to the refineries on the Gulf Coast will be refined into fuel and sold on the world market for higher prices. There will be no cheaper fuel prices in the US or Canada. The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon - $3, $3.50/gallon or *$4.00 is Not the new low! More Refineries are Not the answer, Stop exporting fuel is! Take care of the domestic fuel market first and above all else! Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,667 Points:1,229,075 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:22:03 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse If only a more neutral person was interviewed rather than, Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada's president for energy and oil pipelines, the article might have some weight. As it stands when Pourbaix says, "...opponents of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline have grossly inflated its likely impact on emissions of greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming." He destroys his credibility.
LWB_Sr Champion Author Tennessee Posts:13,843 Points:1,145,685 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 9:55:24 AM Ignore LWB_Sr Report Abuse "It is more likely the hot air emanating from DC is the real climate changer to be feared because it is far more polluted than A bombs or pipes laying covered in the ground." Excellent Quote, cssco!
rjr54 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:1,115 Points:395,370 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:45:10 AM Ignore rjr54 Report Abuse So we should build the Northern Gateway pipeline instead. And ship our oil to China.
rjr54 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:1,115 Points:395,370 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:45:00 AM Ignore rjr54 Report Abuse I don't think the USA actually wants our (Canadian) oil.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,846 Points:2,168,625 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:16:23 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Feb 20, 2013 11:53:36 PM, cssco wrote: >Well, the world experienced a couple of A bombs >dropped on Japan at the end of WW-II Conventional high-explosive bombs were also quite efficient at making Germany and Japan into a place where no stone was left standing on top of another one. The A-bomb did have a greater "shock and awe" value, however. They're so darn efficient that nobody has since dared to use an A-bomb in combat again. [Edited by: Sneakers55 at 2/21/2013 1:17:20 AM EST]
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,463 Points:1,778,195 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:53:36 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Well, the world experienced a couple of A bombs dropped on Japan at the end of WW-II so, my guess is a pipe laying in ground like a dead man surely will not be any worse. It is more likely the hot air emanating from DC is the real climate changer to be feared because it is far more polluted than A bombs or pipes laying covered in the ground.
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,851 Points:758,730 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:52:48 AM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse If it can be done safely, I'n fine
miteybear Champion Author California Posts:9,734 Points:1,602,670 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:31:17 AM Ignore miteybear Report Abuse it shouldnt
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,489 Points:2,284,505 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:29:52 AM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse Seems like a reasonable assertion
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:27:35 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Where is the truth?
Glock26 Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,654 Points:658,135 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:25:00 AM Ignore Glock26 Report Abuse Sounds kind of self serving to me!!!
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,621 Points:2,129,715 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:24:59 AM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse Who knows?
unclenorman Champion Author Tampa Posts:1,479 Points:166,855 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:24:52 AM Ignore unclenorman Report Abuse Poorly thought out as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,100 Points:2,550,715 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:20:38 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse sounds like more old news
danreino Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:8,474 Points:1,564,510 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:20:26 AM Ignore danreino Report Abuse The sun controls the climate.
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,485 Points:2,281,720 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:19:58 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse common sense people: how in the h*ll is a pipeline going to affect the climate ??.. algoreaphobia is still running rampant..
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,681 Points:689,900 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:19:45 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Oh my........the EPA won't like this.
mlmeng Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,775 Points:618,010 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:19:24 AM Ignore mlmeng Report Abuse It will eventually be built. The US Government will make it a "painful process."
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:3,090 Points:859,455 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:19:24 AM Ignore regout Report Abuse What are they waiting to do it instead of talking about it.
mad_low Rookie Author St. Louis Posts:40 Points:317,140 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:18:57 AM Ignore mad_low Report Abuse Pfffttt ... the company says. What's next? McDonalds says fast food is healthy and RJ Reynolds says cigarettes cure cancer? Give me a break. No one can be that gullible.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,700 Points:2,471,660 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:17:10 AM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse Bummer will not like this...
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,555 Points:506,475 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:15:44 AM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse only time will tell...
obimerrill Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,580 Points:317,415 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:15:20 AM Ignore obimerrill Report Abuse Good...get this project going...
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,745 Points:3,519,480 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:14:54 AM Ignore DEG Report Abuse The pipeline should be built.
9C1 Champion Author Chicago Posts:22,989 Points:4,273,085 Joined:Jul 2001	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:14:06 AM Ignore 9C1 Report Abuse hey have a bridge too
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,207 Points:1,127,915 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:13:42 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse Let them wreck their own environment.
jim27106 All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:783 Points:804,620 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:13:20 AM Ignore jim27106 Report Abuse so why no just refine the oil in Canada? "The province also has imposed a carbon tax, an action the Obama administration has said it will not propose." I think we should okay the pipeline, but ban export of the gas.
ican2step Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:1,811 Points:452,400 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:12:08 AM Ignore ican2step Report Abuse Okay
jdevlin All-Star Author Ontario Posts:800 Points:1,403,785 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:10:16 AM Ignore jdevlin Report Abuse OK
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,412 Points:378,875 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:10:08 AM Ignore naspa Report Abuse What were they going to say?
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,858 Points:415,675 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:09:46 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse True
pa79th Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,922 Points:1,243,050 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:08:32 AM Ignore pa79th Report Abuse Old news leftover from yesterday!
Piggy1959 Sophomore Author Fort Worth Posts:181 Points:122,645 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:08:29 AM Ignore Piggy1959 Report Abuse I thought the courts down here were ready to shut down that company anyway!
rjr54 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:1,115 Points:395,370 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:07:57 AM Ignore rjr54 Report Abuse I don't think the USA actually wants our (Canadian) oil. So we should build the Northern Gateway pipeline instead. And ship our oil to China. Perhaps the USA wants to buy from Iran instead.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:9,159 Points:778,875 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:06:56 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Last time I checked a pipeline did not affect climate anyway.
jobo74 Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,021 Points:800,460 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:06:16 AM Ignore jobo74 Report Abuse just get it done
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,367 Points:638,520 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:05:57 AM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse Build it.....
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,632 Points:1,536,990 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:05:42 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse I found a study a week or so ago that says the sun affects global warming. Imagine that.
ManOfLeisureII Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,010 Points:480,875 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:03:24 AM Ignore ManOfLeisureII Report Abuse Just build the dang thing, already.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,422 Points:1,927,885 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:02:45 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse That sounds fair.
gasmack Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,752 Points:679,840 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:02:13 AM Ignore gasmack Report Abuse Some body is blowing smoke, or is that GHG?
mia3bxs Veteran Author Miami Posts:487 Points:331,515 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:59:04 PM Ignore mia3bxs Report Abuse Who says?
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,656 Points:1,941,820 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:58:20 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Why not use the oil in Canada?
Robert44 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,668 Points:1,243,430 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:58:19 PM Ignore Robert44 Report Abuse All right. Lets go drill!!!!
badharley Champion Author Tampa Posts:1,154 Points:766,915 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:58:12 PM Ignore badharley Report Abuse Just get this done.
floridakeys All-Star Author Columbus Posts:809 Points:297,860 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:56:57 PM Ignore floridakeys Report Abuse There is NO such thing as man made global warming. This about power and control this will separate you from your money
WanderDan All-Star Author Dayton Posts:603 Points:161,535 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:56:30 PM Ignore WanderDan Report Abuse they can ship it out their own ports
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,608 Points:1,697,410 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:52:06 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse Southrob... end the madness and start posting comments with some real thought! dhan... get real!!!
Z51Corvette Champion Author Austin Posts:8,608 Points:1,697,410 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:50:34 PM Ignore Z51Corvette Report Abuse Libertyut... RIGHT ON!!! Global Warming is a FARCE!!! So many are drinking that stinky kool - aid.