honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:06:42 AM
Europeans also drive more stick shift / manual transmissions. And the EPA is always "ESTIMATED" - a nice way of saying, "we don't really care how much mpg the vehicle gets, we just run a few tests on a testing stand and extrapolate. Since we do that for everyone, it should do the trick..."
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BEGTWO

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 8:35:10 AM
OK
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blupupher

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Houston
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 8:22:40 AM
different set of rating tests. EPA guidlines are used here in the US, not sure about Europe.
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Amplion

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 3:33:09 AM
European engineering is superior. BMW is best !!!
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:18:40 AM
EPA?
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richnc

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:15:22 AM
I suspect they have smaller cars what get better mileage.
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bvrbill

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Eugene
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:09:53 AM
Different standards, different results.
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kcboy

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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:06:25 AM
ok
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N5EXY

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Austin
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:04:27 AM
Different standards for the tests, cars and fuels. No ETOH blend - better mileage.
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SparkieMi

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:54:23 PM
I think walkingtall sums it up well!!!!
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Beaveronparade

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:53:44 PM
They make much smaller cars.
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tidalwave3

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:49:56 PM
Night and Day on either side of the Atlantic ;)
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CiVX

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:46:20 PM
Because their considerations are practical and ours are corporate/ commercial interests.
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Gazstation

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:46:16 PM
"Europeans don't use gallons, duh......... How many F350s do you see on the autobahn?" You convert it to Km in liter.
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wbpprint

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:45:37 PM
Is that where all our extra corn goes, or don't they use ethanol? Our winter blend here gives me 10-15% less mpg depending on the temps, the colder the worse the mileage. Our restrictions are killing our economy as well as the ethanol killing our cars.
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herbiepopnecker

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:42:55 PM
Europeans don't use gallons, duh......... How many F350s do you see on the autobahn?
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HailstormCA

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:40:57 PM
Just go to liters and we'll all have a standard. Ut-oh. I don't like that idea at all.
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cssco

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:38:39 PM
It is the result of a vast number of differences starting with the fact the Europeans lies are bigger and better than the average American fibs. Ever notice the World record for everything is European since the USSR has gone out of biz.
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clermont40miles

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:37:04 PM
Smoke and mirrors.
By declaration. Some by Fiat.
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NAVYHM

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:36:09 PM
BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO...
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Gazstation

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:36:07 PM
Lamborghini Countach 5mpg Hmmmm...
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wayoung56

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:35:49 PM
At least our fuel prices are lower than they are in Europe...
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NemoIL

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:33:06 PM
Everyone knows that the Germans make the best cars.
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GRUMPY55

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California
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:32:36 PM
Smaller cars
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SavALot

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:24:37 PM
Euro gas efficiency
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nimpy

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:24:20 PM
I don't know why, please tell me
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PetroCrap

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:24:00 PM
Another major factor with European cars getting better gas mileage is that the average person needs the car to get the highest mileage possible, gas prices are considerably higher in Europe than they are here, Most of their cars are standard transmissions which get better mileage and because they look for smaller lighter cars they don't load them up with options that add weight, Europeans don't live in their cars, they don't need to take their living room on the road with them.
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SNOWMI

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:20:56 PM
So you mean the fuel effiency is the same, huh?
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btex49

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:20:00 PM
And generally speaking, the European cars are smaller and lighter.
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serrog

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:19:37 PM
Better workmanship, design, quality.
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FlyNFool

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:18:03 PM
Ok
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mlmeng

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:16:59 PM
walkingtall got it right.
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SavALot

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:14:45 PM
uhh the metric system?
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Chuck11211960

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:13:22 PM
they don't have the US restrictions
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BREW9

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:12:44 PM
small
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Canucktree

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:08:12 PM
Duh!?
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DustyHorse

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:07:34 PM
Sounds reasonable.
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Chas58

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:05:52 PM
Smaller, lighter, and normally under-powered.
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walkingtall

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:05:39 PM
Why do European cars get better miles per gallon than United States cars?and also a number of european cars use diesel which also gets better fuel economy.
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rjoeh

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:05:27 PM
Another issue is that while European clean air standards are catching ours.. they are still not as tight. Therefore... european engines do not have to labor under an enectronic shroud of sensors and valves to maintain clean air. Less labor = better mileage.
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Lukus

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:05:06 PM
There is more competion in Europe.
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abcdMA

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 11:01:36 PM
Duh, they are smaller
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30mpg80

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:58:28 PM
It is the published ratings, not road mpg
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mstearno

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:50:30 PM
because GM is big here and not there
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Bobmilan

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:47:31 PM
Apples to Oranges comparison. Different standards.
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BrucePen

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:44:40 PM
Smaller and they have more diesel motors.
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nomad228

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:44:04 PM
the question isn't do they get higher gas mileage,it's whether or not it actually offsets big earls price increases on fuel.
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Barfood

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:43:04 PM
First sentence..."small"...
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DCbeachbum

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:41:23 PM
Yes, the MPG should be different than Europe. The driving is quite different than in the US.
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Taurus1

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:40:29 PM
It depends on "who" makes the tests.
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